tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post4855734038158205708..comments2023-12-09T16:01:46.365-08:00Comments on Metis Discussions: Genealogist, Stephen A. White Wrong on Radegonde Lambert's Origin R J C Roland (Roly) Belangerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15785194537644345151noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-33775765567437277742023-12-09T15:24:37.159-08:002023-12-09T15:24:37.159-08:00My mother had her genealogy started in and around ...My mother had her genealogy started in and around late 2012. By 2014 we had all the results to show that - through her mother - we are descendants of Radegonde Lambert, through her son Guillaume, and through his daughter Anne, so on and so forth. In the documents WE were given, it lists Radegonde's father as a man name Jehan Lambert, born in 1591, and her mother being an unidentified Mi'kmaq woman. I have no conclusive evidence pointing to whether Radegonde is native or not, however, my grandmother always told me when I was a child that were were indigenous, and her mother told HER they were indigenous, with this story going as far back as my 2x g-grandmother. Reading Mr. White's claim that suddenly everything I knew to be true was false definitely shook me up but I can't help my disbelief given the inaccuracies in his statements re: Guillaume. Guillaume is my 9x g-grandfather. We. Have been fighting to have our ancestry recognized since 2014, and originally we were issued laminated "Metis" cards, but my cousin - who now lives out west with her children - is being told those cards aren't valid anymore, and we have no idea what to do. Is White's theory enough to detail all our work to be recognized?Foxcenrel19https://www.blogger.com/profile/06422496028374993608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-57716376258833031642022-09-29T11:25:20.849-07:002022-09-29T11:25:20.849-07:00I can not find this metis group. I am searching fo...I can not find this metis group. I am searching for my native ancestors. I am related to Radegonde Lambert. Please email me at denise.soucie@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-80014706852628541142022-03-04T14:13:08.057-08:002022-03-04T14:13:08.057-08:00Vikings settled and traded in France over a period...Vikings settled and traded in France over a period of almost two hundred years (9th century and 10th century). They influenced and certainly helped Basques in the construction of their fishing boats and instructed them on the routes to America.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-1162171729356053392022-03-03T12:47:32.531-08:002022-03-03T12:47:32.531-08:00So in conclusion R.Lampert was... I am so curious!...So in conclusion R.Lampert was... I am so curious! She was my 10th great grandma!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16842554359973814843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-20396861938739657272022-02-05T23:54:59.437-08:002022-02-05T23:54:59.437-08:00Hi Roland. My name is Marie, & I am from Ontar...Hi Roland. My name is Marie, & I am from Ontario, born & raised. Both of my parents were told that they had Metis Ancestry as young kids. My Mom was able to find & prove hers. However, my Dad hasn't been able to. I have dna trees for both of them on Ancestry.Com too. My Mom's is called: Dale's Denault Gelinas Family Tree, & my Dad's is called, George's Johansen Millen Family Tree. <br /><br />My Mom has been able to prove that Chief Andre Romain, who was a Chief of The Huron Council, years ago, was indeed her ancestor. As well as many others.<br /><br />As for my Dad, we were told that his Maternal Great-Grandmother, Maria Jane Loshaw, had a grandmother, that had Aboriginal Heritage. We were told that we were descendents of Chief Bigwind from Raja Reserve in Orillia, & that we were also descendents of Chief Henry Membertou, A Micmac Chief from Nova Scotia.<br /> <br />Years ago, I had come across a family tree online that also said the same thing. I don't remember the whole direct lineage that it gave on there, but, it had said that the Metis was somewhere back on Maria's Grandmother, Chloe Boyd's sides of the family. I only came across that website once, & was never able to go back to it, unfortunately. I would've liked to have researched its findings myself, & see how accurate it was.<br /><br />What would be the best way to find out if my Dad is Metis? Especially, when not everyone back then was comfortable about saying they were, due to the fact that they weren't treated very well then. <br /><br />If ever needed, my direct email is: marieasparling2024@gmail.com <br /><br />Thank you very much for your time & consideration. It's greatly appreciated. <br /><br />Marie Sparling (Iroquois Falls, Ontario, Canada)<br /><br />MarieASparlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249164511183570464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-89991743581352611692021-11-01T15:12:20.539-07:002021-11-01T15:12:20.539-07:00A son of Jean Baptiste Belanger and Julienne Bouch...A son of Jean Baptiste Belanger and Julienne Boucher settled in the west and married a First Nation woman. This family involved in the Riel rebellion. Most Belanger native ancestries originated with maternal lineages through marriages, and as many as 5 lineages from the same ancestor. R J C Roland (Roly) Belangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15785194537644345151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-66951950039634259752021-10-31T22:13:05.279-07:002021-10-31T22:13:05.279-07:00Hello, we are new to investigating our ancestors b...Hello, we are new to investigating our ancestors but recently discover my husband’s Acadian roots. My husband has a “Belanger” pretty. Lose in his family tree. What lineage is “Metis” in the Belanger family? Bourassahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16941222245161999440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-80703577242788476432021-07-17T07:53:46.903-07:002021-07-17T07:53:46.903-07:00So you're saying that the 12, 500 y/o remains ...So you're saying that the 12, 500 y/o remains of the Clovis boy ( Montana USA) were actually European, because the haplotype in question was also found in Hungary?? That would confirm that both are true. Clovis boy was without a shadow of a doubt Native American. bud59@hotmail.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400887620939996746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-55875571155302588912021-06-11T12:33:01.680-07:002021-06-11T12:33:01.680-07:00edit to clarify;"If X2b-T226C matched, then i...edit to clarify;"If X2b-T226C matched, then it means that the Anzick child had that haplotype[or a predecessor] within his genome PERIOD!"bud59@hotmail.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400887620939996746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-56701185255269225342021-05-27T10:36:43.020-07:002021-05-27T10:36:43.020-07:00I find the research people are doing on this site ... <br />I find the research people are doing on this site so interesting and working at getting answers on Radegonde and others like the Lejeune sisters. There is a Mi'kmaq Elder called Albert Marshal who coined two eyes seeing. This is a profound practice and not easy for western science and educated from that one angle of seeing. There is much circumstantial evidence that the cradle of the Metis Nation was born in Acadia. So much has yet to be discovered. One of the MTDNA western scientific discoveries is for the Lejeune sisters where their mutation goes back 500 years. If the mutation goes back close to 500 years it means it happened in Acadia before the 500 years. To conclude their genetics have been on Turtle Island for a long time. From the description of Membertou, he most likely has a European YDNA.<br /><br /> Interestingly from Roberta's article Ancient Viking Skeleton https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ogbl#inbox?compose=CllgCJNsLfqxdrdKsdSDcXPnQXDxmxVDNhbCcxhmRLvSjBkdTDHmXcFbWQZktbtHtBPgPFKdwCL<br /><br />I did a few Acadian women and foundconnections with the Vikings.<br />If Radegonde MTDNA is so rare it makes sense she is connected to the viking. The viking left their genes all over Europe. The question why not in the Americas. Its all about biology. <br />no 51 Antoinette Landry H3a1 Viking H3a1No <br />50 Radegonde Lambert X2b4 Viking X2b4no <br />36 Martine Gauthier J1b1a1 Viking J1ab1a1<br />No 19 Catherine Bugaret H1c3b Viking H1c3No <br />58 Marie Madeleine martin H3t16311c! Viking Hv3t16311c!Paul Allairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07305285444496409789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-14294900754227345652021-02-07T19:36:33.500-08:002021-02-07T19:36:33.500-08:00Yes. I am starting to doubt these DNA tests. My tw...Yes. I am starting to doubt these DNA tests. My twin sister and have so much difference in our DNA testing it seems impossible. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528066198786098044noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-59163683579693225032020-05-01T15:30:41.578-07:002020-05-01T15:30:41.578-07:00Stephen White's assessment of the BIM document...Stephen White's assessment of the BIM document is incorrect and also fraudulent. The document, translated to English by me reads as follows, 11th declaration at Sauzon 5 Mar 1767: Jean Leblanc, married Francoise Blanchard in the month of June 1726 at St Charles des Mines. Francoise was born in May 1705 of Rene Blanchard of Cobequit and Anne Landry of Port Royal. Rene was the son of Martin Blanchard and Marie Leblanc and Martin was a descendant of Guillaume Blanchard who came from France with his wife Huguette Poirier, established at Port Royal and died at said place. Martin couldn't possibly have been the son of Guillaume Blanchard and Huguette Poirier for the following reason: That Guillaume was his brother! reference: https://archive.org/details/lecanadafranai01univuoft/page/42/mode/2up/search/francoise+blanchard?q=belle+isle+en+mer <br /><br />There was also some discussion of why Jean Blanchard and Radegonde Lamberts names were omitted from the record and the answer to that is simple...Radegonde had Native American ancestry! Also sorry Roly but regarding your post below, the Louis Blanchard who came to Acadia aboard the St Jehan in 1736 travelled alone according to the record and came here to plant vineyards on a 5 year contract. He may or may not have been related to the Blanchards we are talking about as I am certain that there was more than one line of Blanchards' in France. Reference: http://www.acadian-home.org/St-JehanShip1636.html bud59@hotmail.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400887620939996746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-24806455225569338802020-05-01T05:18:14.553-07:002020-05-01T05:18:14.553-07:00BradFoley, Roberta's analysis is not being mis...BradFoley, Roberta's analysis is not being misrepresented by me. She compared the Anzick sample against all A, B, C, D and X haplotypes in the database and came up with the matches she reported. If X2b-T226C matched, then it means that the Anzick child had that haplotype within his genome PERIOD! There was nothing wrong with Sarah Anzick's file and nothing wrong with kits F999912 and F999913 as demonstrated above. Europe wasn't even a thing when Anzick boy lived, it is therefore misrepresentation to call it a European haplotype and also misrepresentation to create another kit number that filters out these results. The Solutrean hypothesis was proven to be more than a hypothesis when Solutrean artifacts were found in the Americas. This is irrefutable evidence. The fact that there is no evidence that the Solutreans were a seafaring people doesn't change that and neither does the argument that the white supremacists will use that to dispossess us of our rights, for if they had descended from the people that migrated, they would have been INDIANS! bud59@hotmail.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400887620939996746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-26752018807063174302020-04-23T06:44:43.050-07:002020-04-23T06:44:43.050-07:00I'm looking for answers. I have descendants fr...I'm looking for answers. I have descendants from Radegonde but also from Edmée and Catherine Lejeune. A granddaughter of Catherine married a grandson of Radegonde. The Lambert and Lejeune families are not on any ships coming from France. It is obvious that the Mi’Kmaq and the Basques had relations before Jacques Cartier’s trips. Jean Lambert was a carpenter and he was paid by the shipowners, so he was not a settler and did not travel with his wife as Louis Hébert did.Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-90454866713154079782020-04-23T05:06:42.995-07:002020-04-23T05:06:42.995-07:00Daniel, thank you for your research contribution! ...Daniel, thank you for your research contribution! When one considers the Basque influence on the M'Kmaq I think that Radegonde's DNA (if the descendant line is true) could very well be rationally concluded, failing any research that puts her on a ship from France.R J C Roland (Roly) Belangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15785194537644345151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-88364494354191500252020-04-22T13:12:32.582-07:002020-04-22T13:12:32.582-07:00Book : L'Acadie des Origines 1603-1771 (1988) ...Book : L'Acadie des Origines 1603-1771 (1988) P. 23<br /><br />... Biencourt then sends Louis Hébert to summon the Jesuits to leave the ship : <br />``Nous, Louis Hébert, par le commandement de Charles de Biencourt, écuyer, lieutenant de Messire Jean de Biencourt, chevalier, sieur de Poutrincourt, propriétaire des terres sous l'obéissance du Roi, je me suis transporté dans le navire du capitaine L'ABBÉ où était le Père Biard de la Compagnie de Jésus, auquel j'ai fait commandement de par le Roy et mon Seigneur de lui venir parler à terre où il était. Lequel a répondu qu'il ne reconnaissait le Seigneur de Biencourt que pour un voleur, et qu'il ne ferait rien, et que plutôt on le démembrerait pièce par pièce et qu'il excommunierait tout ceux qui le toucherait ... En présence de Michel Morel, maître du navire, ... Jehan Lambert, ... témoins ... . ``<br />Fait à Port-Royale, Nouvelle-France le 13 Mars 1612<br />Signed by Louis Hébert Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-12880566660437279172020-04-22T06:36:50.340-07:002020-04-22T06:36:50.340-07:00Book : Document relatifs à la Marine Normande et s...Book : Document relatifs à la Marine Normande et ses armements aux XVIe et XVIIe siècles (1889) P.125 & 126<br /> <br />https://archive.org/details/cihm_00256/mode/2up<br /><br />... Jean Lambert ship carpenters; all bourgeois living in Honfleur ... pay Lambert £ 138 ...<br /><br />Also in the book : Samuel de Champlain - Histoire de sa vie et de ses voyages, N. E. Dionne (1891) P. 364<br />Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-8080959513572510512020-04-21T20:44:54.108-07:002020-04-21T20:44:54.108-07:00Please provide references supporting your statemen...Please provide references supporting your statement.R J C Roland (Roly) Belangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15785194537644345151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-29620374393352312272020-04-21T12:10:56.587-07:002020-04-21T12:10:56.587-07:00X2b-T226c was not found in the Clovis Anzick sampl...X2b-T226c was not found in the Clovis Anzick sample. A single person has a single mitochondrial haplotype. The only mitochondrial haplotype found in the Anzick sample was D4h3a. <br /><br />X2b-T226c was found in modern admixed populations that have some Clovis ancestry. It has _never_ been shown to predate Columbus. It is common in Europe, and is not a Native American haplotype.BradFoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739815026825472629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-88672297938959270172020-04-21T12:05:53.128-07:002020-04-21T12:05:53.128-07:00X2b-T226c was not found in the Clovis Anzick. It w...X2b-T226c was not found in the Clovis Anzick. It was found in modern, admixed populations that have Clovis ancestry. X2b-T226c has not been shown to be a Native American haplotype. Roberta's 'analysis' is being totally misrepresented here.BradFoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11739815026825472629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-6109113264057170342020-03-03T12:45:38.473-08:002020-03-03T12:45:38.473-08:00Interestingly also when they changed the Anzick sa...Interestingly also when they changed the Anzick sample to the one presently loaded there was a question raised by Roberta Estes. "I asked Felix if the original files had problems or were bad", and here is his response.<br /><br />“I can assure you none of the earlier/older versions uploaded to GEDmatch (kit# F999912 and F999913) of Clovis Anzick was bad." Therefore the original results Roberta had, posted elsewhere in this conversation were also not bad, confirming X2b-T226c is NOT European (at least not exclusively).bud59@hotmail.cahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11400887620939996746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-39774298723679024482020-01-18T06:24:44.811-08:002020-01-18T06:24:44.811-08:00From 2020-01-15 Radio-Canada article,
When Jacque...From 2020-01-15 Radio-Canada article,<br /><br />When Jacques Cartier entered the Gulf of St. Lawrence in 1534, he saw hundreds of boats leaving this region of North America. ...<br />The first Aboriginals that Cartier meets brandish crosses and furs at the end of their sticks. This is a sign that they want to trade, but also that this practice is already well established. ...<br /><br />https://ici.radio-canada.ca/premiere/emissions/aujourd-hui-l-histoire/segments/entrevue/151051/origines-commerce-francais-autochtones-16e-siecle-laurier-turgeon?fbclid=IwAR10Z1l3RURomypMyhuRV2WGTUuKpxuosAmWI4Mkkt82c8Edw1UjMDpeWcgDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-91199154318291849622020-01-14T14:49:08.006-08:002020-01-14T14:49:08.006-08:00Here is the document from 1610 with the 21 names k...Here is the document from 1610 with the 21 names known of Chief Membertou family. We have no document linking Radegonde to one of these names. But the small group of French people who stayed in Acadia after 1611 lived with the Membertou tribe. They had developed for several years a friendly and win-win relationship.<br /><br />CONVERSION DES SAUVAGES QUI ONT ESTÉ BAPTIZÉS EN LA NOUVELLE FRANCE,<br />Cette année 1610<br /><br />http://www.gutenberg.org/files/21221/21221-h/21221-h.htmDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-41870203491007718732020-01-13T23:09:35.989-08:002020-01-13T23:09:35.989-08:00Can anyone please tell me who henri membertou'...Can anyone please tell me who henri membertou's children were, etc. I'm trying to connect my line to him, but everytime i do, there seems to be a problem connecting them. I've been told that Radagonde Lambert's parents were UNKNOWN. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!Healingeaglehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12526477891429209942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-954616472560690638.post-77131855149554249442019-11-10T11:59:01.304-08:002019-11-10T11:59:01.304-08:00I’m agree with you, people rely too much on Stephe...I’m agree with you, people rely too much on Stephen White’s suppositions of the 1755 Belle-Iles-sur-Mer declarations, 140 years after the arrival of Jehan Lambert and 114 years of Radegonde and Jean Blanchard’ marriage.<br /><br />http://www.acadian-home.org/declarations-BIM.html<br /><br />From the Jean Le Blanc’ long statement here is one of the controversial passages :<br /><br />… Le dit Jean Le Blanc dit Derico marié au mois de juin mil sept cent vingt-six à Françoise Blanchard née en la dite paroisse de Saint-Charles au mois de mai mil sept cent cinq, de René Blanchard de Cobeguit et d’Anne Landry du Port Royal ; René Blanchard issu de Martin Blanchard et de Marie Leblanc, et Martin Blanchard descendu de Guillaume Blanchard sorti de France avec sa femme Huguet Poirier, établis au Port Royal et décédés audit lieu : la dite Anne Landry issue de René Landry venu de France avec Marie Bernard sa femme et tous deux morts au Port Royal. …<br /><br />Several historians including François-Edme Rameau de Saint-Père, Bona Arsenault and Léopold Lanctôt do not affirm the French origin of Radegonde Lambert. No proof or document confirms her arrival from France. Guillaume Blanchard and Huguet Poirier were Jean Blanchard’s parents. On the contrary, by the different available censuses dates, Radegonde was born in the 1620s, dates of Mi’kmaq women unions with Charles de La Tour and his men.<br /><br />Read : Le Canada-Français, Volume 3, L. J. Demers & Frères 1890 (books.google.fr) 11ième famille – Blanchard.<br /><br />https://books.google.ca/books?id=qBZJAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA2-PA172&lpg=RA2-PA172&dq=radegonde+lambert&source=bl&ots=BPKVmLDaMg&sig=ACfU3U1LkRbSpymF6O4mp9bcU-fmmOCPvQ&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQybqXvtblAhWEZd8KHcMgCpo4MhDoATAGegQIBxAB#v=onepage&q=radegonde%20lambert&f=false<br /><br />We can easily find explanations for the omission of the mention of Jean Blanchard and Radegonde Lambert by Jean Le Blanc. To read Pascal Poirier’s book ‘Origine des Acadiens’ 1874, we become aware of the unease that Jean Le Blanc could have to recognize a Mi’kmaq origin. It was easier, facing the church and the authorities, to skip a generation to show a direct ‘pure’ lineage from France or, as Mr. Leblanc could not read and write, the prests in charge of the declaration did not write the name of Jean Blanchard and Radegonde Lambert.<br /><br />http://collections.banq.qc.ca/bitstream/52327/2022089/1/98937.pdf<br /><br />Here is an example of how the indian origins were and disappeared from a family line. Article in the excellent newspaper ‘Le Devoir’ in 2006 following a publication in ‘Recherche Amérindiennes du Québec’ entitled : Algonquins of Three-Rivers, Back to Petite-Mission.<br /><br />https://www.ledevoir.com/societe/110615/algonquins-de-trois-rivieres-retour-a-petite-mission<br /><br />… In 1701 comes the «Grande Paix». The establishment of the colony is organized then and, consequently, the parishes. «It is accompanied by a sort of attempt to eradicate all traces of Indian by the clergy and local elites. » Around 1755-62, the ranks of the Algonquins present are enlarged by the arrival of Acadians, many of which are metised. They are fleeing deportation. Indians live on the margins of colonial society in places that would become more and more like shantytowns … Frequently known as “Little Canada”, they were seen as “remnants of tribes” and socially excluded … a law states that anyone whose name is on the Indian Register will be considered a minor, with the federal government setting up their guardian for all. However, it is possible for people to emancipate themselves by showing assimilation. Their name is then deleted from the register, as well as those of their immediate family members. The registry manipulations are legion. Complete years are suppressed, especially when it comes to “baptisms of the savages”. But there are rebellious priests who do not abide by these guidelines. Some writings stand the test of time and men. … The basic idea was not to name people, to deny their existence. …<br />Danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05945284083323161296noreply@blogger.com